{"id":18084,"date":"2023-03-21T12:23:06","date_gmt":"2023-03-21T16:23:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/articles\/composting-for-food-sovereignty-in-atlanta\/"},"modified":"2025-10-16T14:52:33","modified_gmt":"2025-10-16T18:52:33","slug":"composting-for-food-sovereignty-atlanta","status":"publish","type":"article","link":"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/es\/article\/composting-for-community\/composting-for-food-sovereignty-atlanta","title":{"rendered":"Composting for Food Sovereignty in Atlanta"},"template":"","class_list":["post-18084","article","type-article","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","article_type-podcasts-videos","initiatives-composting-for-community","impact_areas-food-security","impact_areas-resilient-cities-and-metros","authors-linda-bilsens-brolis"],"acf":{"details":{"featured_image":1065,"background_color":"tan","article_type":[34],"initiative":15,"display_event_fields":false,"display_case_study_fields":false,"start_date":null,"end_date":null,"start_time":null,"end_time":null,"time_zone":"America\/New_York","virtual_event":false,"location":"","locality":"","state":"","topics":false,"impact_areas":[18,22],"abstract":"<p>What role does composting play in subverting barriers to local food sovereignty? In this episode of the Composting for Community Podcast, we are joined by Khari Diop, an environmental educator, food security activist, and fifth-generation food grower from Atlanta.<br \/>\r\n&hellip; <a class=\"kt-excerpt-readmore\" href=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/composting-for-food-sovereignty-atlanta\/\" aria-label=\"Composting for Food Sovereignty in Atlanta\">Read More<\/a><\/p>\r\n","authors_tax":[635]},"sidebar":{"title":"\u00cdndice"},"page_layout":[{"acf_fc_layout":"layout_wysiwyg","_acfe_flexible_toggle":"","component_wysiwyg":{"content":"<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><iframe id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Reproductor de podcasts Blubrry\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fcomposting_for_community_ilsr%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fcomposting_for_community_ilsr%2FC4C_108-Khari_Diop_Revised_1_1_.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Filsr.org%2Fcomposting-for-food-sovereignty-atlanta%2F#mode-Light&amp;border-000000&amp;progress-000000\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/span>\r\n<p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast (compostaje para la comunidad): <a class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" title=\"Reproducir en una nueva ventana\" href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/composting_for_community_ilsr\/content.blubrry.com\/composting_for_community_ilsr\/C4C_108-Khari_Diop_Revised_1_1_.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Reproducir en una nueva ventana<\/a> | <a class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Descargar\" href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/composting_for_community_ilsr\/content.blubrry.com\/composting_for_community_ilsr\/C4C_108-Khari_Diop_Revised_1_1_.mp3\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"C4C_108-Khari_Diop_Revised_1_1_.mp3\">Descargar<\/a> | <a class=\"powerpress_link_e\" title=\"Incrustar\" href=\"#\" rel=\"nofollow\">Incrustar<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p id=\"powerpress_embed_100393-composting-for-community\" class=\"powerpress_embed_box\" style=\"display: none;\"><input id=\"powerpress_embed_100393-composting-for-community_t\" style=\"width: 70%;\" readonly=\"readonly\" type=\"text\" value=\"&lt;iframe src=&quot;https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fcomposting_for_community_ilsr%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fcomposting_for_community_ilsr%2FC4C_108-Khari_Diop_Revised_1_1_.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Filsr.org%2Fcomposting-for-food-sovereignty-atlanta%2F#mode-Light&amp;border-000000&amp;progress-000000&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot; width=&quot;100%&quot; height=&quot;165&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; id=&quot;blubrryplayer-2&quot; class=&quot;blubrryplayer&quot; title=&quot;Blubrry Podcast Player&quot;&gt;&lt;\/iframe&gt;\" \/><\/p>\r\n<p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Suscr\u00edbete: <a class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" title=\"Suscr\u00edbete a trav\u00e9s de RSS\" href=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/feed\/composting-for-community\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\r\n&nbsp;\r\n\r\n<img class=\"size-medium wp-image-100401 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/Khari-Diop-headshot-300x300.jpg\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/Khari-Diop-headshot-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ilsr.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/Khari-Diop-headshot-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/ilsr.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/Khari-Diop-headshot-250x250.jpg 250w, https:\/\/ilsr.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/Khari-Diop-headshot.jpg 317w\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" \/>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What role does composting play in subverting barriers to local food sovereignty? In this episode of the <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/composting-for-community-podcast-homepage\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Podcast sobre compostaje para la comunidad<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, we are joined by Khari Diop, an environmental educator, food security activist, and <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">fifth-generation food grower from Atlanta. Khari is the founder and CEO of <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/thinkgreeninc\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ThinkGreen Inc.<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and the Community Compost<\/span>Learning Lab Manager at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.trulylivingwell.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Centro para la Agricultura Urbana Natural \u00abVivir Bien de Verdad\u00bb<\/a>. Khari shares wisdom gleaned from years serving his community by designing, building, and supporting gardens and composting systems at dozens of sites around Atlanta.\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hablamos de: <\/span>\r\n<ul>\r\n \t<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How intentionally designed composting sites can aid communities in overcoming barriers to food sovereignty by engaging people in the food system and regenerating soil for food production.<\/span><\/li>\r\n \t<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The importance of access to healthy, nutritious and culturally-relevant foods to a community\u2019s self-determination.<\/span><\/li>\r\n \t<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How key investments in equipment, infrastructure, and community relationships can maximize the efficiency and impact of a community or on-farm composting site.<\/span><\/li>\r\n \t<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on the food system highlighted the need for localized systems of support.<\/span><\/li>\r\n<\/ul>\r\n<blockquote><b>\u201cI think we have to be hypervigilant in ensuring that we are providing the best nutrition for ourselves, and for our children, and for our families and each other. I think if we can get to the point where we can do that on scale, then a huge pressure will be lifted off of the shoulders, and the backs, and the minds of folks. Freeing them up to figure out the next step in our evolution as a nation within a nation.\u201d<\/b>\r\n\r\n&nbsp;\r\n\r\n<b>\u201cOne of the things my grandfather used to say was\u2026\u2019they aren\u2019t making any more land\u2019\u2026. But we do have the ability, I think, to participate in that creation process of making new land\u2026.through composting\u201d<\/b>\r\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><b>\u2013 <\/b> Khari Diop<\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<div id=\"accordionname90\" class=\"panel-group\">\r\n<div class=\"panel panel-default panel-odd\">\r\n<div class=\"panel-heading\"><\/div>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<\/div>","":null,"settings":""}},{"acf_fc_layout":"layout_accordion","_acfe_flexible_toggle":"","component_accordion":{"title":"","items":[{"title":"Related Resource","text":"&nbsp;\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/kharidiop\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Khari Diop on LinkedIn<\/a>\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/thinkgreen_kd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Khari Diop on Instagram<\/a>\r\n\r\nILSR\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/ccc-2023-makes-mark\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">7th Annual Cultivating Community Composting Forum &amp; Field Day recap<\/a> (ILSR web post)\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biocycle.net\/community-composter-movement\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cCommunity Composters Grow Into a Movement\u201d<\/a> (BioCylce article)\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.foodwellalliance.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Food Well Alliance<\/a>\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/atlanta-community-compost-advocates\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cILSR\u2019s NSR Program Replicated in Atlanta\u201d<\/a> (ILSR web post)\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.o2compost.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">O2 Compost<\/a> featured in <a href=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/webinar-equipment-for-small-compost-sites\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Equipment for Small Compost Sites<\/a> (ILSR webinar)\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/urbanfarmplans.com\/products\/compost-knox\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Urban Farm Plans Compost Knox system<\/a>\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.composttechnicalservices.com\/book\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Community-scale Composting Systems<\/em><\/a> by James McSweeney\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/viacampesina.org\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">La Via Campesina<\/a>"},{"title":"Transcript","text":"<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nAcross the country, the community composting movement is growing. Small scale composting provides communities immediate opportunities for reducing waste, improving local soil, creating jobs, and fighting climate change. You\u2019re listening to the Composting for Community Podcast, where we\u2019ll bring you stories from the people doing this work on the ground and in the soil.\r\n\r\nWelcome back to the Composting for Community Podcast. I\u2019m Linda Bilsens Brolis of ILSR\u2019s composting initiative, and in this episode, I talk to Khari Diop, a fifth generation grower from Atlanta, who\u2019s the founder and CEO of Think Green Incorporated, a community benefit organization that connects people to the planet by redefining green space with purposeful, creative restoration and design. He\u2019s had a hand in cultivating dozens of gardens and green spaces around Atlanta. He\u2019s also the Community Compost Learning Lab manager at the Truly Living Well Center for Natural Urban Agriculture, which is a longstanding Atlanta institution that trains farmers and grows fresh produce for the community.\r\n\r\nWe talk about his evolution from a school garden educator to a farm scale, composting system designer and operator, and how composting bolsters the local food system and contributes to his mission to advance food sovereignty in his community. Let\u2019s tune in. Hello, folks. I\u2019m joined now by Khari Diop in Atlanta. Say hello, Khari.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nHello, Khari.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nOr, say hello to our listeners.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nWhat\u2019s up everybody? How y\u2019all doing?\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nLet\u2019s begin with you telling us about yourself, your work, and your community in Atlanta.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nOkay. My name\u2019s Khari Diop. I\u2019m 46. Father of three, with one on the way. I\u2019m a Georgia native. Grew up in Southwest Atlanta, where I still primarily work in a community that I was raised in. I\u2019m a fifth-generation grower. I\u2019m an environmental educator, a community garden evangelist, a food security activist, and I\u2019m the CEO of Think Green Inc.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nWow. What a great introduction for yourself. Congratulations, I didn\u2019t know that.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah, thank you.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nFourth one on the way. How does composting fit into your work?\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nI guess I can start from the beginning. Much of my early work was in community and school garden, like support, and gardener education. Later, kind of got into garden design and build. For the last few years, I\u2019ve been focusing heavy on small scale, kind of farm scale, community composting activities. A huge kind of, I guess, impetus of that was introducing the compost knox system to Atlanta. Probably 2016, 2017, through the Food Well Alliance, who has now built dozens in community gardens all throughout the city. Then in 2021, I heard about a certification course in a compost facility operations management that was being offered through the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources. It was led by James McSweeney of Compost Technical Services. This was kind of followed up after attending the Community Composting Conference, so when I heard about it, I jumped in the course, completed it. Once I was done with it, I volunteered to take over our community composting lab at Truly Living Well. Been doing that since 2021.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nAwesome. Thanks for that rundown. That reminds me, I remember the first time that I heard your name was back in 2016. We partnered with Terra Nova Compost, with the support of the Food Well Alliance, to do a replication of our neighborhood soil builders composter training program. It was the first time I\u2019d ever been to Atlanta.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah. That was a dope organization I formed with Corrine Coe, a brother named Eugene Alala, another farmer named Chris, and Terra Nova. I think it\u2019s still in existence. Corrine is doing her thing.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nThe Atlanta community gave us a very warm welcome, so it was super cool to see that happen.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYep. It was amazing.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nI know you\u2019re going to be presenting at the Cultivating Community Composting Forum in January, which is happening in conjunction with the US Composting Councils Conference and Trade Show. I know you\u2019re going to be talking about some of the composting systems that you\u2019ve managed there, but I was hoping you could give us a brief overview of the system that\u2019s in play at Truly Living Well.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nSure. We run a three bay ASP system, and then we process between three and four tons of green material per week. Primarily, it\u2019s Georgia-grown collards coals from our local commercial farmer\u2019s market mixed with wood chips, and those are brought in by local arborists and tree trimmers. Last year, we processed about 200 tons, and this year, we\u2019re probably on track to do about 220. Most of what we produce goes to the farm at Truly Living Well, and a lot of it also goes to support local growers.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nWell, congratulations. That\u2019s a lot of material y\u2019all are processing.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s definitely not a light lift, and I\u2019m a part-time person. Up until recently, it\u2019s been 10 hours a week for me, so lot to do with a little bit of time. Recently, through the support of the Food Well Alliance, we\u2019ve been able to hire an assistant. A brother named Walter has been super amazing help.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nThat\u2019s great to hear. Congratulations on that. I\u2019ve been seeing, on your Instagram, a hex spin design that you\u2019ve been working on. Can you talk about that?\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah. The hex spin was inspired by Peter Moon and the O2Compost team. I learned about them, and saw one on one of the ILSR webinars and was immediately won over. It\u2019s a two-bed ASP system. It\u2019s replacing a compost knox that had kind of gone in disuse and disappeared at a local food forest, so I had the pleasure of being able to build that original system with a group of young folks who were going through a urban agriculture and forestry training program. Then full circle, to be asked to come back and rebuild a system was an honor. Hopefully, this one should be a little bit more easy to operate for the folks who community garden in the space.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nRight, yeah. We\u2019ll definitely include links to the Compost Knox design. It\u2019s put out by Urban Farm Plans. Then I\u2019ll definitely link to pictures of the hex spin system that you\u2019re working on, just in case there\u2019s anybody listening that doesn\u2019t know what an ASP system is.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nAerated static pile, meaning we use mechanical systems, machines. In our case, blowers. Bouncy house blowers to force air through the system. We have four-inch PVC pipes that are\u2026 With the hex bin, they are underneath the bins, so to speak, and with the base system at the Community Composting Lab, they\u2019re actually running the length of the pile.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nVery cool. Just basically, it keeps air flowing to help keep the compost cooking.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah, yeah. I mean what it does, it\u2019s kind of a labor saving force multiplier. It removes the necessity of physically turning a pile by forcing air through the system, feeding all of those beneficial organisms.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nBeneficial for volunteer-run projects or where projects just don\u2019t have enough labor, so very cool. I look forward to following that. As I think you know, ILSR promotes composting for the many social, economic, and environmental benefits it provides to communities. Have you seen any of these benefits in your work?\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nReally, all of them. The building of community around composting is a major one. Here in Atlanta, we have a hugely successful business called Compost Now that employs a lot of folks. One of the businesses that also drops compostables at the Community Composting Lab is [inaudible 00:08:00]. They\u2019re a food reclamation organizations doing amazing work here in Atlanta as well. I\u2019m on the environmental side. The diversion that we are doing is major, and Compost Now is probably doing 10 times what our numbers are. A lot of their amendment that is produced is going towards local growers and farms. A majority of what we produce in the lab is going directly into the beds at TLW, and being used to produce amazing organic veggies that are going directly to the surrounding community. All of those pieces are bolstered and enhanced by community composting.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nVery cool. That leads me into my next question. You\u2019re featured in this great video series called The Seeds of Resilience that the Food Well Alliance put out a couple years ago. It\u2019s great. You talk about the ability to grow food as being a key, if not the key, to freedom. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about that.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nWell, one of the markers of maturity of an individual is the ability to provide for oneself, provide our basic needs. I think that the mark of maturity for a community and for people is that same ability. Specifically, my community. African Americans, black folks. We need that, and have needed that since time immemorial, especially since our time on this side of the water. I think we have to be hypervigilant in ensuring that we are providing the best nutrition for ourselves, and for our children, and for our families and each other. I think if we can get to the point where we can do that on scale, then a huge pressure will be lifted off of the shoulders, and the backs, and the minds of folks. Freeing them up to figure out the next step in our evolution as a nation within a nation. Yeah, I\u2019m all about that.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nMy definition of community self-reliance, definitely being able to grow your own food features very prominently. That\u2019s actually what brought me to composting as well. I\u2019ve heard of food sovereignty being defined as the right of people to healthy and culturally appropriate food produced through sustainable methods, and their right to define their own food and agricultural systems. It sounds very similar to what you\u2019re talking about. That was a definition from La Via Campesina, which is the International Peasants Movement that started in the nineties. From your perspective, and in your experience, what are the biggest barriers to food sovereignty in your community?\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nI think the biggest barrier for us is the lack of imagination. I think part of that is the failure of our educational system to really empower folks for radical independent thinking and being. I think secondly is lack of access to land. A big part of that is due to systematic divestment of our people through crooked and unscrupulous dealings by those in power, and sometimes, through straight-up violence and theft. I think thirdly is the lack of access to capital through intentional disinvestment, and sometimes even through misappropriation of funds. Organizations that are supposedly put in place to increase food security that end up with bloated office staff and misdirected bandaid solutions for their funding priorities. I think those are a few in bullet form, but we could go deeper into it, of course.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah. Those are some structural issues that definitely need addressing. I think that what excites me about composting is its something that can be done by anyone, pretty much under any circumstances, to help kind of chip away at some of those issues. The community composting movement, especially really going out and addressing of the communities that these projects are serving, and getting that information, that knowledge out there. That composting is something that you can start doing now. You don\u2019t need a lot of money, you don\u2019t need a lot of infrastructure to get started.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nReconnecting people with the food system just in general. I think we\u2019re all super aware of it when our forks hit the plate, but on that back end, what are we doing with what doesn\u2019t make it into our stomachs? I think that reconnecting people with that responsibility to figure out what we\u2019re going to do with what it is that we don\u2019t use, and then redirecting that to spaces that are producing what it is that we need. It goes hand in hand with the whole recycling movement and greater consciousness about our responsibilities as humans on the planet.\r\n\r\nI think composting is the perfect vehicle for making those connections with people to the planet. One of the things my grandfather used to say was, \u201cThey aren\u2019t making any more land. They ain\u2019t making no new land.\u201d But we do have the ability, I think, to participate in that creation process of making new land and new earth. That\u2019s where we got the term Terra Nova from, through composting. I love to see it, and more and more of it.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah. We have to steward what we have, because it is not an infinite resource. It is very much finite.\r\n\r\nWe\u2019ll be right back after a really short break. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Composting for Community Podcast. If you\u2019re enjoying it, please consider supporting our work with a donation by going to ilsr.org\/donate. Your donations make this show and all the work we do here at ILSR possible. Visit ilsr.org\/donate to make your contribution today. Any amount is sincerely appreciated. If you\u2019re looking for other ways to support us, consider rating or leaving a review of the show wherever you listen to your podcast. These reviews help us reach a wider audience. Thanks again for listening, and now back to the show.\r\n\r\nI resonate with the mission of Think Green Incorporated. Your mission as I read it.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah. We actually started off as a technology. I had a technology focus. I wanted to be able to really get a handle on the data that was flowing through community garden spaces, but we found that there was a niche that was unfilled in support for these spaces. The impetus and genesis of Think Green was really as a technology data company, so we\u2019re hoping to get back more towards that in 2023.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nCool. That leads into my next question, but before I get to that, do you know how many green spaces, or community gardens, or community spaces you\u2019ve been involved in stewarding?\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nI would say that I probably had a hand in a couple of dozen, probably 30 or 40. Back in 2020, during the height of the pandemic, the Food Well Alliance asked me to serve as a community garden support person. Because they couldn\u2019t take large groups of volunteers in, they would send me in with a BCS tiller to make sure that the spaces were taken care of and were able to produce food, so that allowed me to touch so many growing spaces I lost count.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nWow, that\u2019s quite an accomplishment. What a great community service at the height of the pandemic. I mean, the food system pretty much broke down. Thank you for helping.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nIt was great to be a part of it. Every day, I would wake up and feel like I was really contributing.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nVery cool and very necessary. What a wake-up call to see the weaknesses in the system. A huge system that\u2026 Again, out of sight, out of mind. You can take for granted when it\u2019s working more or less the way it\u2019s intended to, but then you get a big stressor like the pandemic and it just shines a bright light on some of those weaknesses.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah, it was a huge shock. I mean, I think we all saw how fragile it is. I think many of us have kind of accepted the realization that if these trucks stop running, or if the price of fuel gets exorbitantly high, then things are going to be majorly disrupted, but I think we saw that firsthand thanks to COVID-19.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nIt really just exacerbated weaknesses, right? The food system works well for certain people, but the whole mission to support food sovereignty gets at the point that it doesn\u2019t work for everybody, even when it\u2019s working as intended.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nExactly, which is why ILSR\u2019s work is so important in building up that local self-reliance. That\u2019s what I\u2019m all about, so I completely align with you all\u2019s mission.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nWell, thank you. You are the one that\u2019s out there in the field doing it, so it\u2019s such an honor and a pleasure to get to work with people like you. But back to the question that you perfectly were leading into earlier, what are some of your goals for the coming year?\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah. Like I said, a greater emphasis on data collection and analysis. We want to be able to measure and increase our efficiency. We want to be able to grow the scientific capacity of the lab to provide in-depth analysis of our product, and also to be able to provide that service to local growers and gardens. We\u2019re also going to be piloting some restaurant and residential waste diversion programs that we received some funding for. I\u2019ll probably be building a few more hex spins, so we\u2019ll see how this first one works out. I got a training for the gardeners, folks who visit the food forest, coming up this Friday. So yeah, we\u2019ll see how that goes.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nVery cool, so you\u2019re going to get really good at building that system.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah. You\u2019re going to have to, I think, give a presentation on it at some point in the Community Composter Coalition peer-learning community.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nMost definitely. I tried to figure out how to do it in the most economical way possible.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nI can\u2019t wait to follow that thread. I guess kind of as a closing question, do you have any advice or lessons learned that you would like to share with composters that are just getting started, or any other resources that you might recommend that have inspired you on your path?\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nI would say, work with what you got. When I first came on as the manager of the Community Composting Lab, we were completely volunteer driven. From accepting all of the inputs to building the piles. Then we were lucky enough to get a little mini Bobcat skid steer, which, oh, my God, I thought we were cooking with grease, cooking with gas. Once we got that thing, it was great. Then I quickly saw that taking two hours to move a pile even with that was too long, so we were able to purchase a Kubota tractor, which allowed us to grow by leaps and strides. To getting things done and becoming more efficient.\r\n\r\nBut I would say work with what you got, and keep it manageable, and build relationships with folks in the community who can provide resources. At one point, one of the most difficult things for us was getting enough brown material, enough carbon inputs, so we had to kind of reestablish our relationship with the local arborists and tree trimmers. Once we did that, you know what I mean? Some of y\u2019all will know that, at a certain point, you got to tell them to stop, which is a good thing. Try to build those local relationships.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nAre there any additional resources that have inspired you along your path in this work?\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYeah. James McSweeney, most definitely. He, I think, played a pivotal part in designing the Community Composting Lab. Like I said, Peter Moon with O2Compost. When I saw their hexagonal design for a bin, and then started working through the math, I was like, \u201cWhy isn\u2019t everybody doing this? Just because of the space-saving and efficiency aspect.\u201d Yeah. I would say they\u2019ve definitely been great resources. James got that great book. Also, one of my early mentors in composting Rashid Nuri, who\u2019s the founder of Truly Living Well. He kind of helped me get in touch with the spiritual nature and aspect of compost and organic recycling.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nGreat. I know James McSweeney\u2019s community scale composting systems. We\u2019ll definitely link to that. I know Erik Martig with Conscious Compost. I believe he designed at least one iteration of the Truly Living Well system, but I know James was really helpful in thinking through the throughput of the system and all that.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYou know some of the history, you know it.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nI do a little bit. I\u2019ve had the great pleasure of collaborating with Truly Living Well, and Food Well Alliance, and other Atlanta folks. I consider it a pleasure and an honor. I just think, like to summarize the lessons you shared, that knowing what your limitations are, scaling up slowly, and relationships and communication. It takes an ecosystem, for sure, to make these things happen.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nYou said it so well. Thank you.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nThanks. Well, I was following you, so you made it easy for me. All right. Well, Khari, it was a great pleasure to chat with you just now. Thank you so much for joining us.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nIt was my pleasure as well. I hope this helps.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nIt definitely did, so I look forward to sharing this with our listeners.\r\n\r\n<b>Khari Diop:<\/b>\r\n\r\nMost definitely. If people have any questions, feel free to give out my information. People can email me, call me. I love to talk about this stuff.\r\n\r\n<b>Linda Bilsens Brolis:<\/b>\r\n\r\nThank you for being so generous with yourself, and your knowledge and experience. Take care, and we will see you.\r\n\r\nThanks for listening to this episode of the Composting for Community Podcast from the Institute for Local Self-Reliance. This episode was produced by Drew Birschbach and ILSR\u2019S composting team. Our theme music is I Don\u2019t Know from Grapes. Be sure to check out the rest of the ILSR podcast family, including Building Local Power, Local Energy Rules, and Community Broadband Bits at ilsr.org."}]}},{"acf_fc_layout":"layout_wysiwyg","_acfe_flexible_toggle":"","component_wysiwyg":{"content":"","":null,"settings":""}},{"acf_fc_layout":"layout_wysiwyg","_acfe_flexible_toggle":"","component_wysiwyg":{"content":"<h4><em>Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/composting-for-community\/id1482294569\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_android\" title=\"Subscribe on Android\" href=\"https:\/\/subscribeonandroid.com\/ilsr.org\/feed\/composting-for-community\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">Android<\/a> | <a class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" href=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/feed\/composting-for-community\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">RSS<\/a><\/em><\/h4>\r\nListen to this episode, then check out more episodes of the <a href=\"https:\/\/ilsr.org\/composting-for-community-podcast-homepage\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Composting for Community Podcast<\/a>.\r\n\r\nFollow the Institute for Local Self-Reliance on <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ilsr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Twitter<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/localselfreliance\/?ref=aymt_homepage_panel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Facebook<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/ilsr74\/?hl=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Instagram<\/a>. 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